The long wait is over. Season 5 premiers tonight (1/21/09) with an hour long recap at 7 PM and then the first two episodes of the season from 8 PM to 10 PM (all times CST).
Clear your work schedule for the morning. Discussion begins promptly at 9 AM.
Wednesday, January 21, 2009
Monday, January 19, 2009
Science of Bullshit 19 - N-n-n-n-nineteen!
Science or Bullshit!
How to play: I supply three news stories, two real and one fictional. You guess which is the fake. Using web searches to find the right answer results in you being targeted by a gypsy curse. The fictional story is often based on an actual news story, but I try to change key details sufficiently to make them completely implausible. Discuss with friends and post your answers in the comments section along with your reasoning. Link the blog to your friends and family for exciting prizes!
1. To celebrate 2009 as the Year of Astronomy, a group of radio astronomers are utilizing a technique called electronic, real-time Very Long Baseline Interferometry to effectively create a telescope the size of the earth.
2. According to a new study published in the journal Development and Psychopathology, smoking during pregnancy dramatically increases the risk of giving birth to children predisposed towards lethargy, listlessness, and passivity.
3. A long-held belief concerning human cognition was recently overturned by the discovery of an Amazonian tribe which does not have words for numbers and lacks a system of counting.
Where (and What) the Hell is This?
As a supplement to SoB, here is an image taken by a camera in space. You guess where and what the image is. Performing a right-click properties on the image to find the answer by looking at the file properties also triggers the gypsy curse.

Good luck!
How to play: I supply three news stories, two real and one fictional. You guess which is the fake. Using web searches to find the right answer results in you being targeted by a gypsy curse. The fictional story is often based on an actual news story, but I try to change key details sufficiently to make them completely implausible. Discuss with friends and post your answers in the comments section along with your reasoning. Link the blog to your friends and family for exciting prizes!
1. To celebrate 2009 as the Year of Astronomy, a group of radio astronomers are utilizing a technique called electronic, real-time Very Long Baseline Interferometry to effectively create a telescope the size of the earth.
2. According to a new study published in the journal Development and Psychopathology, smoking during pregnancy dramatically increases the risk of giving birth to children predisposed towards lethargy, listlessness, and passivity.
3. A long-held belief concerning human cognition was recently overturned by the discovery of an Amazonian tribe which does not have words for numbers and lacks a system of counting.
Where (and What) the Hell is This?
As a supplement to SoB, here is an image taken by a camera in space. You guess where and what the image is. Performing a right-click properties on the image to find the answer by looking at the file properties also triggers the gypsy curse.

Good luck!
Thursday, January 8, 2009
SoB 18 Answers with a Side of Science
I've decided to break up the posts a bit. The new plan is to post the answers to the previous SoB along with all my general linkage a day before I post the new SoB challenge. Let me know if you have an opinion about the format change. Before we get to the answers...some other stuff!
Obligatory pictures of awesome looking space thingies:
1. Physicists have created a new state of matter capable of storing an electrical charge without leakage for an infinitely long period of time. Science! The material was made from an extremely hard ceramic, titanium nitride. When researchers brought a thin enough film of the material down to a low enough temperature (.1 degree Kelvin), they were surprised to find a new state of matter capable of storing a charge indefinitely.
2. Scientists have produced a massless computer CPU capable of basic computing functions by entangling individual photons in a cyclotron. It is bullshit. I made it up, I admit. But I was inspired by another recent innovation. Physicists built a transistor 10 atoms by 1 atom out of a carbon nanomaterial called graphene.
3. Researchers have determined that a meteor which fell to the earth in the 60s brought with it nucleobases, some of the fundamental building blocks for life. So this one is science. The discovery of nucleobases on the meteor lends strength to the theory that asteroid bombardment four billion years ago could have jump-started life on Earth.

W(aW)tHiT: The central uplift within an impact crater to the west of Nili Fossae on Mars.
Obligatory pictures of awesome looking space thingies:
- This massive image is a composite of over 2000 images taken by the Hubble Space Telescope in infrared of the core of our galaxy. Visible light is obscured by dust to a very high degree, so the infrared image brings out a lot of detail we don't normally get to see.
- The glowing filaments of the Pencil Nebula are part of the Vela supernova remnant.
- Spiral galaxy NGC 4945 in Centaurus.
- A dune field in the Russell Crater on Mars.
- The incredible strength of the magnetic field of a Magnetar, has long been a mystery. New research suggests that the answer may lie in the equally mysterious quark star.
- Astronomers have discovered a new class of high velocity stars, shooting through space at 112,000 mph after being ejected from their star-forming regions.
- The discovery of exoplanets has nearly become mundane over the last few years, but expect it to heat up again soon. Up until recently, all of the extrasolar planets discovered can be classified as Hot Jupiters, planets several times more massive than Jupiter orbiting very close to their parent star. Using a technique called the transit method, astronomers have begun to detect Super Earths, planets up to 10 times more massive than the Earth, but with a solid surface. By studying the chemical signature as the planet passes behind its star, we can get clues to its atmosphere and the presence of water. The next generation of space-born telescopes will allow us to image these planets directly.
- Ever wonder which came first, the galaxy or the black hole at its center? Me neither. But some people did. And now they think they have the answer: The black holes.
- An instrument sent to space to study the heat signatures of early stars instead discovered radio static six times louder than astronomers has predicted. Astronomers are, naturally, baffled.
- And finally, let's raise a glass to the Mars rovers, entering their 6th year of science and exploration on the surface of Mars. The original missions were scheduled for only three months.
- A recent study shows that facial expressions are innate, not learned. "The statistical correlation between the facial expressions of sighted and blind individuals was almost perfect."
- Our NY readers will be happy to know that a tsunami, possibly caused by a meteor impact, flooded the Long Island region in 300 BCE.
- In 1995, researchers isolated a protein, now called leptin, which acts as an appetite supression and showed great promise as a weight loss aid. Unfortunately, it was found that a leptin resistance builds up in the brain, causing the hormone to become ineffective. A new breakthrough could turn the tables in the form of an oral drug which sensitizes the brain to leptin.
- The aptly-named Spookfish is the first vertebrate discovered to use mirrors rather than lenses to focus light into its four eyes. Seriously, four eyes.
1. Physicists have created a new state of matter capable of storing an electrical charge without leakage for an infinitely long period of time. Science! The material was made from an extremely hard ceramic, titanium nitride. When researchers brought a thin enough film of the material down to a low enough temperature (.1 degree Kelvin), they were surprised to find a new state of matter capable of storing a charge indefinitely.
2. Scientists have produced a massless computer CPU capable of basic computing functions by entangling individual photons in a cyclotron. It is bullshit. I made it up, I admit. But I was inspired by another recent innovation. Physicists built a transistor 10 atoms by 1 atom out of a carbon nanomaterial called graphene.
3. Researchers have determined that a meteor which fell to the earth in the 60s brought with it nucleobases, some of the fundamental building blocks for life. So this one is science. The discovery of nucleobases on the meteor lends strength to the theory that asteroid bombardment four billion years ago could have jump-started life on Earth.

W(aW)tHiT: The central uplift within an impact crater to the west of Nili Fossae on Mars.
Monday, December 29, 2008
Science of Bullshit 18 - Barely Legal
Happy Holidays! Hope everyone had a safe and enjoyable celebration of their preferred mythological superstitions!
SoB 17 answers:
1. The fossilized trail of an aquatic creature suggests that animals were walking on legs 570 million years ago, in the Ediacaran period. That's some 30 million years earlier than previously thought. And 30 million is a lot. Seriously. Science! It is true, some tiny leg-bearing wormy thing was cruising around the ocean floor 570 million years before the invention of Doc Martens.
2. A recent study shows that perfect pitch, the ability to recognize and remember a tone without a reference, is apparently much more common in non-musicians than scientists had expected. Crazy, but true. The study involves a new testing technique which previously precluded non-musicians from being able to participate.
3. New research shows that empathy in children is entirely based upon nurture, rather than any natural inclination. Without guidance, children below the age of 12, exhibit no empathy towards others in pain. It is bullshit. The study actually shows the opposite. Researchers used an fMRI to determine that empathy is 'hard-wired' in children.


W(aW)tHiT: Lake Erie in May, on a sunny day.
A few tidbits before the next SoB challenge:
Pictures of cool looking things out in space!
Not enough science for you? Fine!
1. Physicists have created a new state of matter capable of storing an electrical charge without leakage for an infinitely long period of time.
2. Scientists have produced a massless computer CPU capable of basic computing functions by entangling individual photons in a cyclotron.
3. Researchers have determined that a meteor which fell to the earth in the 60s brought with it nucleobases, some of the fundamental building blocks for life.
Where (and What) the Hell is This?
As a supplement to SoB, here is an image taken by a camera in space. You guess where and what the image is. Performing a right-click properties on the image to find the answer by looking at the source site is totally lame.

Good luck, everyone!
SoB 17 answers:
1. The fossilized trail of an aquatic creature suggests that animals were walking on legs 570 million years ago, in the Ediacaran period. That's some 30 million years earlier than previously thought. And 30 million is a lot. Seriously. Science! It is true, some tiny leg-bearing wormy thing was cruising around the ocean floor 570 million years before the invention of Doc Martens.
2. A recent study shows that perfect pitch, the ability to recognize and remember a tone without a reference, is apparently much more common in non-musicians than scientists had expected. Crazy, but true. The study involves a new testing technique which previously precluded non-musicians from being able to participate.
3. New research shows that empathy in children is entirely based upon nurture, rather than any natural inclination. Without guidance, children below the age of 12, exhibit no empathy towards others in pain. It is bullshit. The study actually shows the opposite. Researchers used an fMRI to determine that empathy is 'hard-wired' in children.


W(aW)tHiT: Lake Erie in May, on a sunny day.
A few tidbits before the next SoB challenge:
Pictures of cool looking things out in space!
- An infrared image of Saturn's polar cap lit up with an aurora.
- A bubble nebula in Cygnus.
- A pair of interacting galaxies.
- The Cone Nebula looking awesome.
- The Horsehead Nebula in Orion never stops being cool.
- Another image of interacting galaxies.
- The Carina Nebula.
- Irregular galaxies have feelings too!
Not enough science for you? Fine!
- For the first time, the genome-wide sequence of an extinct animal has been completed. Time to clone some woolly mammoths!
- The remains of Copernicus have been discovered and verified through DNA analysis in Northern Poland. They've constructed an image of what he looked like from skull fragments. He looks old.
- I've always been a big fan of idiots and their paredolia, but this one surpasses all previous records. Some moron thinks she sees the Virgin Mary in her MRI scan.
- Transitional fossil discoveries are always very cool. The most recent big one is the Odontochelys semitestacea, a turtle ancestor with half a shell (a complete pastron, but only a partial carapace) and teeth.
- New evidence strengthens the argument that the dinosaur extinction was caused almost entirely by the Deccan Traps eruptions and not the meteor strike in the Yucatan.
- After 70 years, Gray's Paradox has finally been solved. Dolphins frequently swim faster than 20 mph, but their muscles are not strong enough to supply the thrust. New technology has provided the explanation.
- Ant colonies are far cooler than we imagined.
- If you have felt like something just is a little off with the earth's rotation lately, you're right. The earth's rotation is slowing down bit by bit. Which really screws up our clocks. A lot! To make up for this, we're going to have a leap second on New Year's Eve. An extra second will be added to 2008 at 6:59:59 EST on December 31st. Make sure to update your watch.
1. Physicists have created a new state of matter capable of storing an electrical charge without leakage for an infinitely long period of time.
2. Scientists have produced a massless computer CPU capable of basic computing functions by entangling individual photons in a cyclotron.
3. Researchers have determined that a meteor which fell to the earth in the 60s brought with it nucleobases, some of the fundamental building blocks for life.
Where (and What) the Hell is This?
As a supplement to SoB, here is an image taken by a camera in space. You guess where and what the image is. Performing a right-click properties on the image to find the answer by looking at the source site is totally lame.

Good luck, everyone!
Labels:
Bullshit,
Science,
Skepticism
Tuesday, November 11, 2008
Science or Bullshit 17 - Back in the Galapagos
You know what? Science or Bullshit, that's what.
Last, er...season's answers:
#1 - Clearly inspired by Wolverine, some African species of frogs, when threatened, puncture their own skin with bones in their toes, and use those bones as claws to fend off predators. Totally science. What more needs to be said about these awesome frogs? They are unique among known vertebrates. And the claws are technically more claw-like than actual claws. Because they are not sheathed in keratin, of course. But you already knew that.
#2 - Baby Nile crocodiles communicate with their mother and each other while still in their eggs. Their calls alert the other babies that it is time to hatch and tell the mother to begin digging up the nest. Even more science! According to the article, the sound the babies make goes something like this: "umph! umph! umph!" How is that for scientific journalism?
#3 - Swedish researchers have trained dogs to identify certain radioactive materials by scent. The dogs' ability is already being utilized at European shipping hubs. Complete bullshit. I tried really hard to find something that dogs couldn't identify by scent and nearly failed. On the other hand...check this out. Go cancer-sniffing puppies!

W(aW)tHiT: This is the Dickinson Crater on Venus.
Current records with correct answer streaks in parentheses:
AIMS: 9-6 (2)
Angela: 13-3 (2)
Banjo: 9-0 (9)
Bankowitz: 11-5
Biggeth: 3-4 (3)
Bret: 4-12 (2)
Da Wiz: .5-.5
Lana D: 5-4 (2)
Marukka: 11-5 (2)
Mercurial Ohearn: 8-7 (1)
Mike Calimbas: 6-6
Pedestrian Player: 7-8 (3)
Rachel: 4-8
Sam I Am: 7-3
Seb: 9-7 (1)
I stopped saving up links to Cool Things In Space, so all I have to offer today is the Tarantula Nebula, a region of the Large Magellanic Cloud.
On the anti-vaccine front, we've seen some predictable developments over the last few months. With Jenny McCarthy scaring mothers into ignoring their pediatricians, we're beginning to see outbreaks of diseases in areas in which the herd immunization line has been crossed. In August there was a Mumps outbreak in Vancouver. It's not getting better.
Take this one with a few hundred grains of salt, but there is at least some archaeological evidence tying a copper mine in Jordan to the legendary Mines of King Solomon.
Normally, I would have saved this story for the SoB portion of the blog, but no one likes the ones dealing with human firsts. In this case it is consumption of milk. It appears that humans were hitting the udder 2000 years earlier than previously thought, around 6500 BCE in Turkey.
Alright. Your first SoB challenge of Autumn '08! Hope you're not too rusty:
1. Ok, I lied. It's another of those annoying firsts. This time...animal footprints! The fossilized trail of an aquatic creature suggests that animals were walking on legs 570 million years ago, in the Ediacaran period. That's some 30 million years earlier than previously thought. And 30 million is a lot. Seriously.
2. A recent study shows that perfect pitch, the ability to recognize and remember a tone without a reference, is apparently much more common in non-musicians than scientists had expected.
3. New research shows that empathy in children is entirely based upon nurture, rather than any natural inclination. Without guidance, children below the age of 12, exhibit no empathy towards others in pain.
Where (and What) the Hell is This?

Good luck!
Last, er...season's answers:
#1 - Clearly inspired by Wolverine, some African species of frogs, when threatened, puncture their own skin with bones in their toes, and use those bones as claws to fend off predators. Totally science. What more needs to be said about these awesome frogs? They are unique among known vertebrates. And the claws are technically more claw-like than actual claws. Because they are not sheathed in keratin, of course. But you already knew that.
#2 - Baby Nile crocodiles communicate with their mother and each other while still in their eggs. Their calls alert the other babies that it is time to hatch and tell the mother to begin digging up the nest. Even more science! According to the article, the sound the babies make goes something like this: "umph! umph! umph!" How is that for scientific journalism?
#3 - Swedish researchers have trained dogs to identify certain radioactive materials by scent. The dogs' ability is already being utilized at European shipping hubs. Complete bullshit. I tried really hard to find something that dogs couldn't identify by scent and nearly failed. On the other hand...check this out. Go cancer-sniffing puppies!

W(aW)tHiT: This is the Dickinson Crater on Venus.
Current records with correct answer streaks in parentheses:
AIMS: 9-6 (2)
Angela: 13-3 (2)
Banjo: 9-0 (9)
Bankowitz: 11-5
Biggeth: 3-4 (3)
Bret: 4-12 (2)
Da Wiz: .5-.5
Lana D: 5-4 (2)
Marukka: 11-5 (2)
Mercurial Ohearn: 8-7 (1)
Mike Calimbas: 6-6
Pedestrian Player: 7-8 (3)
Rachel: 4-8
Sam I Am: 7-3
Seb: 9-7 (1)
I stopped saving up links to Cool Things In Space, so all I have to offer today is the Tarantula Nebula, a region of the Large Magellanic Cloud.
On the anti-vaccine front, we've seen some predictable developments over the last few months. With Jenny McCarthy scaring mothers into ignoring their pediatricians, we're beginning to see outbreaks of diseases in areas in which the herd immunization line has been crossed. In August there was a Mumps outbreak in Vancouver. It's not getting better.
Take this one with a few hundred grains of salt, but there is at least some archaeological evidence tying a copper mine in Jordan to the legendary Mines of King Solomon.
Normally, I would have saved this story for the SoB portion of the blog, but no one likes the ones dealing with human firsts. In this case it is consumption of milk. It appears that humans were hitting the udder 2000 years earlier than previously thought, around 6500 BCE in Turkey.
Alright. Your first SoB challenge of Autumn '08! Hope you're not too rusty:
1. Ok, I lied. It's another of those annoying firsts. This time...animal footprints! The fossilized trail of an aquatic creature suggests that animals were walking on legs 570 million years ago, in the Ediacaran period. That's some 30 million years earlier than previously thought. And 30 million is a lot. Seriously.
2. A recent study shows that perfect pitch, the ability to recognize and remember a tone without a reference, is apparently much more common in non-musicians than scientists had expected.
3. New research shows that empathy in children is entirely based upon nurture, rather than any natural inclination. Without guidance, children below the age of 12, exhibit no empathy towards others in pain.
Where (and What) the Hell is This?

Good luck!
Labels:
Bullshit,
Science,
Skepticism
Tuesday, September 30, 2008
Friday, September 26, 2008
Presidential Debate - 09/26/2008
Thoughts and notes on the debate:
McCain's tie is truly awful. Obama took the center of the ring immediately. Guess he's going to take the initiative.
Q1: Where do you stand on the bailout plan?
Obama looks good. Speaking directly to the camera. Looks smooth and relaxed and prepared. Obama draws first blood by blaming the current crisis on Bush, supported by McCain.
McCain mentions Kennedy being in the hospital right off the bat. Interesting tactic. McCain appears to be looking at and speaking directly to the moderator, not the television audience. Not sure how that will play to the television audience. Obama is speaking directly to us, McCain does not appear to be doing so.
Q1a: Are you in favor of the plan, damnit?
Obama says we haven't seen the language of the plan yet and goes on the attack again. Too aggressive? At least he is wearing his lapel pin!
McCain says he will vote for the plan but basically brushes off the question. Seems a bit blase about seeing the crisis coming.
Jim Lehrer is a bit of a dork. Is he trying to increase the drama or run a debate?
Q2: Are there fundamental differences between the two candidates in how they would solve the economic problem?
McCain says we have to curb government spending. Mentions earmarking specifically. Studying DNA of bears? WTF is he talking about? Attacks Obama for wanting 900+ million for something.
Obama responds that McCain wants 300 billion in tax cuts for wealthy and corporations. Obama's tax plan gives release to 90+% of people.
McCain just doesn't look good. He points at the moderator very mechanically when he makes points and often laughs nervously.
Q3: What will you give up to pay for the economic bailout?
Obama says we have to have energy independence through alternative energy. Have to fix health care system. Education (science and technology!). Rebuild infrastructure and broadband lines. Electricity grid.
McCain says we have to cut spending. See Q2, apparently. Eliminate ethanol subsidies. Return defense spending? What? Need fixed cost contracts.
Obama insults Bush and McCain laughs. A bipartisan moment!
McCain says spending freeze is the answer except for defense and veterans. Obama says that is overkill. Obama finally plays the Iraq card.
McCain mentions climate change. Huh.
McCain doesn't seem to have any message other than cutting spending.
Orgy of spending! Obamamania!
Q4: Lessons of Iraq.
McCain: Can't have a failed strategy. Now we're winning. Huzzah!
Obama: Should we have gone into war in the first place? Nope. Obama opposed war from the beginning. Didn't finish job in Afghanistan. We've made things worse. And spending 10 billion a month. While Iraq as surplus. Have to use military wisely.
McCain is condescending towards Obama after having mistakes pointed out. That won't play well. But he's left-handed. How about that?
Q5: Afghanistan: More troops? How many and when?
Obama: Yes and as soon as possible. Safe havens in Pakistan.
McCain: Won't make mistake of...ever leaving the middle east?
Oh sweet jesus something is moving inside of McCain's face!
It sounds like McCain is making a lot of factually incorrect statements and accusations towards Obama. Hopefully there will be some fact-checking in the post-debate.
How many times now has McCain said that Obama doesn't understand something? 10?
Q6: Iran.
McCain says Iran is a threat to Israel and region if they get nukes. A second holocaust? McCain wants to replace UN with a new league that doesn't include anyone who opposes us.
Obama says Iran was made more powerful by war in Iraq. Tougher sanctions. Need support of Russia.
Q7: Russia.
Obama: Entire approach needs to be reassessed. Work with Russia.
McCain: Obama doesn't understand. Over and over again. McCain is going to get hammered for this, I gotta think.
Q8: Likelihood of another 9/11.
McCain: Much less than it was at 9/11. Long way to go.
Obama: Safer in some ways. Airport security. Securing targets. Long way to go. Need port security. Terrorism spreading. Regain international respect.
Tough to call a winner here. Obama is a much better speaker and debater, but McCain's foreign policy experience is very strong. If people believe that the war in Iraq is destroying the country, Obama should be declared the winner.
Thoughts?
McCain's tie is truly awful. Obama took the center of the ring immediately. Guess he's going to take the initiative.
Q1: Where do you stand on the bailout plan?
Obama looks good. Speaking directly to the camera. Looks smooth and relaxed and prepared. Obama draws first blood by blaming the current crisis on Bush, supported by McCain.
McCain mentions Kennedy being in the hospital right off the bat. Interesting tactic. McCain appears to be looking at and speaking directly to the moderator, not the television audience. Not sure how that will play to the television audience. Obama is speaking directly to us, McCain does not appear to be doing so.
Q1a: Are you in favor of the plan, damnit?
Obama says we haven't seen the language of the plan yet and goes on the attack again. Too aggressive? At least he is wearing his lapel pin!
McCain says he will vote for the plan but basically brushes off the question. Seems a bit blase about seeing the crisis coming.
Jim Lehrer is a bit of a dork. Is he trying to increase the drama or run a debate?
Q2: Are there fundamental differences between the two candidates in how they would solve the economic problem?
McCain says we have to curb government spending. Mentions earmarking specifically. Studying DNA of bears? WTF is he talking about? Attacks Obama for wanting 900+ million for something.
Obama responds that McCain wants 300 billion in tax cuts for wealthy and corporations. Obama's tax plan gives release to 90+% of people.
McCain just doesn't look good. He points at the moderator very mechanically when he makes points and often laughs nervously.
Q3: What will you give up to pay for the economic bailout?
Obama says we have to have energy independence through alternative energy. Have to fix health care system. Education (science and technology!). Rebuild infrastructure and broadband lines. Electricity grid.
McCain says we have to cut spending. See Q2, apparently. Eliminate ethanol subsidies. Return defense spending? What? Need fixed cost contracts.
Obama insults Bush and McCain laughs. A bipartisan moment!
McCain says spending freeze is the answer except for defense and veterans. Obama says that is overkill. Obama finally plays the Iraq card.
McCain mentions climate change. Huh.
McCain doesn't seem to have any message other than cutting spending.
Orgy of spending! Obamamania!
Q4: Lessons of Iraq.
McCain: Can't have a failed strategy. Now we're winning. Huzzah!
Obama: Should we have gone into war in the first place? Nope. Obama opposed war from the beginning. Didn't finish job in Afghanistan. We've made things worse. And spending 10 billion a month. While Iraq as surplus. Have to use military wisely.
McCain is condescending towards Obama after having mistakes pointed out. That won't play well. But he's left-handed. How about that?
Q5: Afghanistan: More troops? How many and when?
Obama: Yes and as soon as possible. Safe havens in Pakistan.
McCain: Won't make mistake of...ever leaving the middle east?
Oh sweet jesus something is moving inside of McCain's face!
It sounds like McCain is making a lot of factually incorrect statements and accusations towards Obama. Hopefully there will be some fact-checking in the post-debate.
How many times now has McCain said that Obama doesn't understand something? 10?
Q6: Iran.
McCain says Iran is a threat to Israel and region if they get nukes. A second holocaust? McCain wants to replace UN with a new league that doesn't include anyone who opposes us.
Obama says Iran was made more powerful by war in Iraq. Tougher sanctions. Need support of Russia.
Q7: Russia.
Obama: Entire approach needs to be reassessed. Work with Russia.
McCain: Obama doesn't understand. Over and over again. McCain is going to get hammered for this, I gotta think.
Q8: Likelihood of another 9/11.
McCain: Much less than it was at 9/11. Long way to go.
Obama: Safer in some ways. Airport security. Securing targets. Long way to go. Need port security. Terrorism spreading. Regain international respect.
Tough to call a winner here. Obama is a much better speaker and debater, but McCain's foreign policy experience is very strong. If people believe that the war in Iraq is destroying the country, Obama should be declared the winner.
Thoughts?
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